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Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novels

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Re: Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novel

Postby JakeMagnus » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:51 pm

I did get to book nine, so at least I tried. I guess if it was a continuing story I'd finish it, but there's not much left from what the first few books were about so I don't care quitting now. I do still feel that book three is one of the best novels I have ever read, and two and four come close. So I guess that's something.
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Re: Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novel

Postby Morgoth » Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:09 am

Good thing you never tried Esslemont. I bailed on Return of the Crimson Guard, after enduring Night of Knives.
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Re: Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novel

Postby JakeMagnus » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:26 am

So glad I listened to you guys!
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Re: Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novel

Postby Morgoth » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:42 pm

About to finish with House of Chains. It took me a while, almost the whole year. Since it's a heavy book and I wasn't able to carry it with me, and such...And also because sometimes the plot came screeching to a halt for me.
I feel like Erikson got pretty self-indulgent this time. Not as bad as Gurm, but still. Karsa's plot was mostly good, but I honestly would've been ok without all the filler, like placing a trap for the dogs, breaking the alpha male and so on, only to have all the damn dogs killed afterwards. Same with this whole Nom business, in which Karsa kept getting trapped until the next deus ex came along. Blah blah blah. I feel like a hundred pages could've been easily lopped off.
As for the rest, I've mostly liked Tavore/Gamet/Fiddler. Pearl and Lostara Yil feels like filler, as they're mostly retreading Felisin's path from Deadhouse Gates. Heboric is fine, both Felisins can go eff themselves (you just had to give me yet another Felisin, didn't you Erikson, since I loved the first one so much). Onrack and the other Sengar dude don't feel relevant to the rest of the plot, but I guess I could be wrong? I mean, other than the killing of L'oric's familiar. Then Karsa in Raraku, again, I like the character but his journey is too travelogue-like for my taste. Blah blah blah. Only that instead of actual teblors he talks to their ghosts, which is hardly different.
Crokus/Cutter remains as obnoxious as ever. Sorry/Apsalar remains as uninteresting as ever. Kalam/Pust, amusing but too many pages describing Pust's hijinks, hiding from his wife, the monkeys etc.

So yeah, not a bad book but it's bloated. For me. Would a re-read improve it in any way? Not sure, too early to think about re-reads.
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Re: Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novel

Postby JakeMagnus » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:53 pm

I didn't even get that they were monkeys until book 8. I always pictured them as big bat-like creatures for some reason.
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Re: Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novel

Postby Dolan » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:34 am

Just bought the Brazilian translation of Gardens of the Moon, published recently, can't wait to start reading it.
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Re: Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novel

Postby Dolan » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:07 pm

I'm still struggling through ICE's Dancer's Lament and it's... rough. Reads like a parade of fantasy clichés with bad comic relief in between.
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Re: Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novel

Postby Karsa » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:17 pm

Dolan wrote:I'm still struggling through ICE's Dancer's Lament and it's... rough. Reads like a parade of fantasy clichés with bad comic relief in between.


You are still insisting with Esslemont.
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Re: Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novel

Postby Dolan » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:26 am

The PT-BR translation of Gardens of the Moon (awesome cover btw) just arrived and I'm tempted to check it out and quit ICE for a while.
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Re: Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novel

Postby Dolan » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:28 pm

So i decided to start Return of The Crimson Guard after finishing Dancer's Lament and Night of Knives.
ICE is just... Incompetent. Same problems, shallow characters, bad narrative. Downright goofy sometimes. I couldn't tell if he was going for comic relief or he's just bad at narrating scenes.

The fucking fan phone made me stop reading for a while.
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Re: Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novel

Postby louisev » Wed May 03, 2017 1:26 am

I read EVERY FUCKING BOOK. By Erikson, and then by Esslemont. Erikson gets such verisimilitude in his characterizations because he roleplayed the main plot (and a good deal of Genebackis I'm sure) with his fantasy D&D buddy Cam. But it's clear where the writing talent lies. I didn't mind Return of the Crimson Guard the way I minded "Assail," which I have subtitled "I'm a Jaghut, You're a Jaghut, Everyone's got a little Jaghut in em." But in that book he singlehandedly destroys the greatest fantasy antihero ever
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Re: Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novel

Postby Dolan » Sun May 07, 2017 3:38 pm

Finished RotCG. Funny thing is i think Night of Knives was way more enjoyable to read than Crimson Guard, I don't think the book was necessarily bad, but felt way too close to Erikson's style, and I couldn't help but compare, it was like reading bad Erikson lol. Night of Knives was smaller scope and had more likeable characters, on Crimson everyone is a plotting, ambitious, sociopath, also way less unnecessary plot points. I mean, what the hell happened to Ghelel? He just dumps her after some point?
On to Stoneweilder.
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Re: Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novel

Postby louisev » Wed May 17, 2017 1:26 am

Dolan wrote:Finished RotCG. Funny thing is i think Night of Knives was way more enjoyable to read than Crimson Guard, I don't think the book was necessarily bad, but felt way too close to Erikson's style, and I couldn't help but compare, it was like reading bad Erikson lol. Night of Knives was smaller scope and had more likeable characters, on Crimson everyone is a plotting, ambitious, sociopath, also way less unnecessary plot points. I mean, what the hell happened to Ghelel? He just dumps her after some point?
On to Stoneweilder.


Stonewielder was actually a halfway decent book. (Erikson probably ghost-write it.)
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Re: Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novel

Postby Onrack » Thu May 18, 2017 6:43 pm

Crimson Guard is such a insanely disappointing book. The most important thing to happen to the Empire in the course of the series, done in the least satisfying way possible. Agreed with Louise that Stonewielder is worthy at least.
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Re: Erikson & Esslemont - Malazan Book of the Fallen & Novel

Postby Dolan » Thu May 18, 2017 11:23 pm

Really? It's being a drag all the way through. Every time the scene is about to get good he cuts to something else. Kyle suddenly jumps from insecure kid just getting some battle experience in Rotcg to mysterious super alien warrior in this book and I don't even know how to picture him mentally anymore, I thought it had his been a year maybe two after the events in the previous book but I was mistaken.
I did like Ivanr though his name looks like a typo, and for some reason I picture him as The Rock (???).
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